Blogging around: Feingold, Hezbollah, DLC

Lieberdem has arrived at the same point I did about Russ Feingold and Bill Clinton’s impeachment from last Thursday and adds meat to the bones, stirring up a hornet’s nest at DailyKOS in the process:

At the actual Senate trial, Feingold was the Democrats’ Critic-in-Chief, voting to continue the trial and keep the charges on the books right up to the final vote:

  • Feingold was the only Democrat to vote against Robert Byrd’s motion to dismiss the charges
  • Feingold was the only Democrat to support the motion to subpoena witnesses to testify against Clinton
  • Feingold was the only Democrat to vote against either of Daschle’s motions to proceed to closing arguments – and he voted against both of them (on January 28 and on February 4).

Lieberdem’s analysis is a thing of beauty, and the KOS rebuttal is typical of far left “logic.”  What sticks out is that, despite the case Lieberdem builds against Feingold’s role in the impeachment trial of Bill Clinton, despite the sources and links, the KOS writer essentially claims none of it is relevant because, well, because she says so!  Or to be specific, that Lieberdem (and by extension DonkeyDigest) is “rewriting history.”

The Plank points to Alan Dershowitz’s commentary last month in the Jerusalem Post about civilian casualties, which seems particularly salient now:

The goal of Palestinian terrorism is to increase the number of civilian deaths on both sides. Yes the Palestinian terrorists who now fire rockets into Israel from Gaza want the IDF to kill Palestinian women children and old men. If they did not they would fire their rockets from isolated areas where there are no civilians. Instead they deliberately fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas in order to induce Israel to cause the highest possible number of Palestinian civilian casualties. Every time the Israeli military accidentally kills a Palestinian civilian the Palestinian terrorists win a propaganda and political victory. …

This despicable “culture of death” promoted by extremist Islamic imams in which an honorable death–even if not voluntarily chosen–is deemed preferable to life is the major cause of Islamic terrorism. Nor can terrorism of this sort be deterred by the prospect of imprisonment or even death. It must be prevented before it can be carried out. That is why the Israeli military has been aggressively attacking those who are preparing to fire rockets into Israeli towns and cities. …

[Israel] must continue to attack those who are in the process of firing rockets at Israeli civilians; but it must do a better job of reducing the number of civilian casualties. If it is true that Palestinian terrorists benefit from every increase in both Palestinian and Israeli civilian casualties then it is equally true that Israel benefits from every decrease in such casualties. Among the best deterrents against Palestinian rocket attacks would be for Israel to stop creating martyrs–and propaganda objects–among Palestinian civilians.

DonkeyRising discusses the national political ramifications of Ralph Reed’s defeat in the Georgia GOP Lt. Governor primary.

Bull Moose is blogging from the DLC’s National Conversation in Denver.

It is an invigorating experience. Hundreds of state officials are present and they are discussing and thinking about concrete proposals to change America.

This isn’t a confab of enraged chattering keyboarders, but these thoughtful leaders are making an actual difference for America. What is particularly positive about this gathering is that it is positive. Pretty unusual for American politics these days.

If you are looking for barn burning partisan rhetoric and righteous rage, you would be disappointed. But, if you are seeking innovative ideas to transform America, Denver is the place. The focus here is not singing to the choir, but rather how to persuade the unconverted.

The hope for the Democrats lies not in the blogosphere or in the corridors of power. Rather, the promise for the party is in places like Colorado where leaders are confronting real problems of real people.

Democrats must learn the limits of rage and the promise of innovative ideas.

 

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3 Responses to Blogging around: Feingold, Hezbollah, DLC

  1. Matt "LieberDem" says:

    Thanks for the link. I really enjoy reading your blog – I’ve been looking for your email address for awhile so I could contact you!

    It’s always good to see thoughtful, reasoned discourse in the blogosphere.

  2. Patrick Henry says:

    The bizarre notion that Lieberman’s 1998 speech saved Clinton’s presidency, rather than sank it Orwellian. As is your inversion of Feingold and Lieberman. It was Dale Bumpers who saved this country’s – and Clinton’s bacon. Lieberman gave him a good shove at the critical moment he was about to pull through unscathed.

    Amazing the way you mixing apples and oranges by confusing the roles and motivations of Feingold and Lieberman.

    —– snip of the marxist revolutionary fist pumping rhetoric —–

    DonkeyDigest Responds:  Here is where your argument falls way short. I\’ve never said nor implied that Lieberman\’s speech saved the Clinton presidency.  But I\’ll Lay the facts out for you again:

    Lieberman – never supported impeachment, resignation, or any other official reprimand of Clinton.

    Feingold – supported impeachment, said Clinton should seriously consider resigning, was the only Democrat to vote against Robert Byrd\’s motion to dismiss the charges,  was the only Democrat to support the motion to subpoena witnesses to testify against Clinton, and was the only Democrat to vote against either of Daschle\’s motions to proceed to closing arguments – and he voted against both of them.

    These are matter of public record and indisputable fact.  Had Russ Feingold gotten his way, a sitting President would have been impeached on charges that most legal experts agree did not rise to the level of impeachable offenses.   And trust me.  If Feingold throws his hat into the ring for 2008, Democrats are going to be reminded of this.

  3. Patrick Henry says:

    Way to misrepresent my words by shortening them.

    A correction: Clinton was impeached –Feingold voted against conviction.

    But first, Lieberdem does cite the 1998 speech as saving Clinton and doing him a favor — ludicrously, as that speech badly undercut Clinton\’s position.

    Your mistake: This is not a matter of loyalty to Party. Feingold\’s consistently principled positions adhere more closely to the rule of law, his oath of office, and his sworn Constitutional obligations. That\’s a much more conservative and responsible and moderate position than the supposedly \”centrist\” DLC Dems. Feingold fulfills his obligation as a Senator relative to the Executive regardless of whether it\’s occupied by Republican or Democrat.

    — snip of more \”Feingold good, Lieberman bad, although Feingold sold the Democratic party down the river\” rhetoric —

    DonkeyDigest responds:  Which part of this don\’t you understand?

    Lieberman – never supported impeachment, resignation, or any other official reprimand of Clinton.

    Feingold – supported impeachment, said Clinton should seriously consider resigning, was the only Democrat to vote against Robert Byrd’s motion to dismiss the charges,  was the only Democrat to support the motion to subpoena witnesses to testify against Clinton, and was the only Democrat to vote against either of Daschle’s motions to proceed to closing arguments – and he voted against both of them.

    Maybe Feingold was so intent on hearing all the details and making sure Clinton paid that he wasn\’t aware that the trial was bogus?

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